Black Holes

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Black Holes.

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Black Holes


Introduction

This theory describes regions in space where the nucleus of a star is thought to have collapsed into itself due to its own gravitational pull.

The current laws of physics have no theory that can accurately describe the complete behaviour of these places.



Specialised

Black holes are thought to be specialised regions in space where the attractive pull of gravity is so strong that not even light can escape.



Fastest

Light is the fastest energy in the universe according to the accepted laws of physics.



Critical

If a stellar core reaches a certain critical mass it is assumed that it may be able to collapse into itself, creating a gravitational pull that is stronger than that of electromagnetic radiation, such as light.



Black

The name given to these regions is black hole with the implication being that there is no light able to function as it might normally do.



Pulled

It is assumed that light and everything else within range of the event horizon is pulled into the hole, due to the strength of the surrounding gravitational field.



Horizon

The event horizon is the point in space-time up to which the pull of gravity is stronger than light, from a physics point of view this is considered to be the point of no return.



Laws

The laws of physics break down if we try to calculate beyond this stage and this is the problem.



Summary

What happens inside a black hole?

Why do the laws of physics fail to accurately describe and explain these phenomena?



The Problem

What are black holes and why do the current laws of physics fail to explain them?



The Answer



Opposites

Black holes are the opposite to explosions, they are implosions.



Potentials

The mass or potential energy contained in any stellar core is subject to three possible potentials at the end of its life.



Stellar

Any stellar core may explode, implode, or a neutral potential may occur.



Physics

The current laws of physics cannot describe the idea of a black hole because they rely on unchanging constants such as the speed of light for relative measurement.



Theoretically

Black holes are theoretically more powerful than light.



Measurement

When we attempt to measure the universe using the unchanging speed of light as a constant, our observations and relative measurements are only unchanging as long as this constant itself remains unchanging.



Trouble

The moment that our constant base ceases to be constant, the singular laws of physics fail (change).



Stronger

When we encounter a black hole that is theoretically more powerful than light our relative laws cannot cope as light is no longer what we assumed it was.



Undone

Everything we have based upon the constant value of light is now undone.



Constants

The laws of physics are not necessarily unchanging constants and should not be regarded as such.



Can we explain black holes with the current laws of physics?

1. We can explain black holes with the current laws of physics.

2. We cannot explain black holes with the current laws of physics.

3. There is a neutral possibility.

Simultaneously.



Am I wrong?

I simultaneously oppose, agree with, and neutralise all criticism ad infinitum.

My point is literal.

There is no point creating a theory of everything that doesn't work.

[Thiago]

edit: I wrote alot of stuff but in the end i found out that i'm wrong but i'm still sure that i can proove that it's possible to exist a new "universe" inside a black hole as energy goes to infinity inside it.

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Originally Posted by Thiago edit: I wrote alot of stuff but in the end i found out that i'm wrong but i'm still sure that i can proove that it's possible to exist a new "universe" inside a black hole as energy goes to infinity inside it.

Hi Thiago, sorry I'm a bit late replying but I've been busy at work this week I'm afraid. I think I know what you mean here actually, how black holes can contain a whole universe. I've got a few of my own ideas about this topic in general as you've no doubt read for yourself but I'd like to hear your ideas on black holes if you'd care to share them with us.

The current opinion held by many physicists is that these regions in space reduce back to a singularity somehow which I dispute but nevertheless there's still a lot we don't know about the universe. I think the infinity you talk of is the singularity I'm talking of myself perhaps, black holes are a bit like magic portals in physics and as they're currently not 100% understood anything is theoretically possible

[Thiago]

Well what i meant is that there's infinity energy on a black hole. As the gravity is higher than the speed of light and it takes infinite energy to have something with mass > 0. It's clear that inside a blackhole there's infinite energy.

Now i'm going to explain why do i think it's possible to have a universe inside a black hole.

Imagine if the world had only one space dimension(x), we would be points. But someone had special attributes(lived on a x,y dimension), so we couldn't see his "y" dimension.

It's like that with blackholes, we see it as a 3d(space) object(well, we don't even have the chance to really see it), but if it have 4 dimensions, it's clear that it's possible to a black hole expand it's space(x,y,z) without actually getting bigger(in our dimension).

And i've never seen a article that talks in depth about what happens when the energy is infinite in our universe(and will probably never see it), as our universe used to pretty much look like an black hole in the beginning, it's easy to find out that our universe could actually be a black hole.

As it's impossible to know what is after our universe(because the max speed is the speed of light) and if the space expansion is bigger or the same of it, it's really impossible to know what's "outside"

The same thing happens with black holes, as you can't see what's happening inside of it and once you go inside, you can't go back or send any kind of information outside.

It really reminds me of recursion, the "creator" of our universe(i don't belive in god, but our universe has to be done by something) would have thought of it as something that would solve the problem if a really inteligent race(like the humans) started messing up with all his idea(.

I'm sure that if the humanity had a turing machine, we would be able to build a universe just like ours :P

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Originally Posted by Thiago Well what i meant is that there's infinity energy on a black hole. As the gravity is higher than the speed of light and it takes infinite energy to have something with mass > 0. It's clear that inside a blackhole there's infinite energy. Now i'm going to explain why do i think it's possible to have a universe inside a black hole. Imagine if the world had only one space dimension(x), we would be points. But someone had special attributes(lived on a x,y dimension), so we couldn't see his "y" dimension. It's like that with blackholes, we see it as a 3d(space) object(well, we don't even have the chance to really see it), but if it have 4 dimensions, it's clear that it's possible to a black hole expand it's space(x,y,z) without actually getting bigger(in our dimension). And i've never seen a article that talks in depth about what happens when the energy is infinite in our universe(and will probably never see it), as our universe used to pretty much look like an black hole in the beginning, it's easy to find out that our universe could actually be a black hole. As it's impossible to know what is after our universe(because the max speed is the speed of light) and if the space expansion is bigger or the same of it, it's really impossible to know what's "outside" The same thing happens with black holes, as you can't see what's happening inside of it and once you go inside, you can't go back or send any kind of information outside. It really reminds me of recursion, the "creator" of our universe(i don't belive in god, but our universe has to be done by something) would have thought of it as something that would solve the problem if a really inteligent race(like the humans) started messing up with all his idea(. I'm sure that if the humanity had a turing machine, we would be able to build a universe just like ours :P

Hi Thiago

I'm glad you expanded on what you think a bit, this is good stuff for a debate and discussion here. Now I've got my own ideas as to Black Holes etc according to my own theory which states that for every reaction not only is there an equal and opposite reaction there is also a neutral potential as such. Like adding a third state to the accepted Boolean logic we use in our programming. Simply put this is Pro theory in a nutshell. When we look at black holes using this idea of three potentials we no longer have the simple opposites of Boolean as we have neutrality to consider too.

So do black holes exist, and if so how can we prove that they exist? How can we detect their gravitational pull on matter? And is the speed of light (186, 000 mps) really an unbreakable speed limit? These are all questions that we must answer before we can assume anything about this phenomena in my opinion. I know the accepted wisdom on this topic is that nothing in the universe, not even the strongest energy (light), can escape once it passes the black hole's event horizon (point of no return). This is well and good but it remains conjecture, it is still unproven and therefore we cannot assume that black holes either exist or do not exist quite yet.

If indeed these holes do exist then they must have an opposite and a neutral point between opposites too. Nothing exists as unchangingly singular as everything possesses an opposite and neutral potential in theory. If we can witness infinity within a black hole then by definition we must also be able to witness finite substance on the flip side. The same goes for the speed of light, in theory it's possible to break it as when we ask the question "can the speed of light be broken?" we have three potential answers. Just because the speed of light hasn't been seen to be exceeded yet doesn't necessarily mean that it's impossible to break in my opinion.

Stephen Hawking makes an interesting point in one of his books that "black holes aint so black" which implies I think to the fact that if a hole is sucking in all available light within its event horizon then before the light passes into the centre of the hole it will still shine as light does until the very point at which it is absorbed by the whole. The hole may indeed suck the light into itself but by this definition it implies strangely that any given hole may be surrounded by intense light depending on how much light is within its range. It's just one of those funny ironic things I suppose, black holes are surrounded by light.

I'm not entirely sure how to proceed with your ideas about dimensions and the end of the universe but I've got a Big Bang topic http://fprotheory.com/showthread.php?t=46 which deals with the Doppler Effect and the expansion and/or contraction of the universe and might be along similar lines to what you seem to be suggesting

I find what you said about God interesting too, and the Turing machine, Alan Turing was a real genius wasn't he! I'm not sure if the universe was created intelligently or whether its intelligent creations (humans) just view it that way. I tend to think that universal order and patterns are one part creator God, one part human, and one part something else